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A response to "Time to move on"
There are a handful of members on this forum who on an almost monthly basis express their desires for an end to the division between the life-long supporters of ETSU athletics and those who run it. The most trumpeted charge found, in their in all too familiar emphasis on unity for the sake of unity, is that of their overwhelmingly tiresome reaction of disgust to the whining from those yet to be converts still clinging on with dear life for the return of ETSU Football. Well, I don't see whining...I see outrage from a body of people whose common link is an unwavering devotion to a strong athletic program for a university which they support with devout dedication. Make no mistake... Football will return to ETSU. I can't tell you if it will be ten, twenty, thirty, or even forty years from now but it will return. Upon it's return I for one would feel chagrined if at any point I had taken up the passive cause of those who seek to hold hands with an administration who selfishly humbled our beloved athletic program for the purpose of advancing their own country club agenda. No one should bow their heads in a lazy effort to get along with the current administration until they have asked...Are ETSU athletics as respected now, in the community or across the region, as they were five years ago? Are we okay with being pitied by Chattanooga fans as a once great institution who stumbled into our twilight years with crippling impotence while they surge ahead with an effort to breathe new life into their football program? Are we satisfied with being in a conference made up of schools whose fans have less spirit than elderly bingo games? Are we okay with having a twenty win basketball season and still receiving a sixteenth seed in the NCAA tournament? If your answer is no then it is time for you to get behind and actively seek a new beginning at East Tennessee State University.

The passive fan will accuse those of us who are openly dissatisfied with the administration and the overall direction of the sports program to be living in the past and therefor out of touch with the realities of the day. A few of them take on a twisted delight in declaring our best days are behind us. One of them in particular even dared to impugn the accomplishments of Jennings. They eagerly dismiss our great successes and large crowds as merely flukes. I utterly reject this view. It took an uncompromising belief in the program to reach those tall and mighty towers of success and it will take a similar determined spirit to achieve them again.

We on this side of the aisle are sometimes incorrectly viewed as anti-ETSU. Nothing could be further from the truth. Let me tell you who we are. We want the absolute best for ETSU. We want a basketball team that is athletic, well coached, hard-working, with a strong fan base, worthy adversaries, and a chance to win games in the NCAA tournament as often as humanly possible. In order for this wish to become a reality we require a football team, which leads me to our next wish. We want football. We believe that it is essential to the overall success of ETSU that the blue and gold suit up every Saturday during the fall and those who don't believe in this have no business leading our athletic program. Other universities of our size, such as Austin Peay, have flirted with an existence without football, saw the folly of their failed policies, and quickly sought to reinstate the biggest sport in America. In fact this is a trend going on in college athletics today and it is a trend that we so badly want to be a part of. We are not against the existence of minor college sports but we are adamantly against the obscene amount of money the university spends on Tennis and Golf while the great American pigskin is nowhere to be found. We are not against the recruitment of foreign athletes but it infuriates us to helplessly look on as the university cancels a sport that offered a great number of American students academic and athletic opportunities in order to fund foreign-filled sports at the level of SEC schools or better. And while we are constantly focused on the future we strongly reject the administration's constant attempt to distance ETSU from it's past.

It is true that we sometimes differ on how to reach our stated goal but rest assured that we do not differ on the stated goal. Although it is unlikely football can be reinstated under this current administration we would be doing a disservice to not keep this issue on the forefront so that when it comes time for new leadership the powers that be will be less likely to sneak in an anti-football mindset to continue in the self-destructive policies of this current administration. It is our responsibility to be mobilized and ready to be heard on that glorious day when new leadership is sought after.

We support the athletes on the court in spite of the current paralyzing policies of the administration and we trumpet the coaches who have gone out and recruited well despite the limitations of the Atlantic Sun. And do not deceive yourselves for we are not as big and physical as we were five short years ago. We seek to win the Atlantic Sun every year that we are forced to be in it and we are utterly embarrassed when we don't.

We are not shills and therefor are not deceived by the administrations disingenuous claims that it was unfair to keep football because the sport took too much money from the pockets of other sports therefor rendering it impossible for those minor sports to be competitive. Well, all one has to do is look up box scores and you will quickly learn that five years later we still have several little sports that are not competitive. And if winning were truly a high priority concerning the country club sports then we would see changes at the coaching ranks. Head coaches would be fired and either their assistants would take over or someone from the outside brought in. It begs the question...how many losing seasons could Bartow survive?

As the administration sits idly by and allows these sports to fail it very haughtily denies it's own football alumni to host their annual meeting on campus. Indeed, this is an administration that sets out to quieten fans at championship basketball games when the right of an NCAA Birth is on the line. It is an administration that apologizes for the behavior of it's fans such as chanting "Air ball". An administration that refuses to honor three of it's all time greatest players by properly retiring their Jerseys to the rafters to remind fans and players what it means to be a buccaneer.

Our problems are both acute and chronic. Yet all we hear from those in a position of power are the same tired excuses of winning the right way which is exactly the sorry state of mind that got us here in the first place. In an age where Gardner Webb and Campbell pass us by as they make a break for the big south and Saturday afternoon football can anyone look at the record of this administration and say, well done? Can anyone compare the state of our athletic department from the day Mullins took over to where we are today and say, Keep up the good work? Can anyone look at our reduced standing and the quality of conference play and say, let's continue in this direction? Can anyone sit inside the dome and look on as fellow spectators show up wearing Appalachian State paraphernalia to our A-sun games without being deeply embarrassed and shamed? I believe if Rasmussen came to Johnson City and took a public opinion poll the approval rating of this administration would unequivocally be, NO we've had enough!

I can't quote it exactly...but Les Robinson said something in Chip Kessler's book that I think it would do us all well to be reminded of. Les was hired on right after Barry Dowd disintegrated our program into the ground with several NCAA violations and in that first year the bucs were lucky if they could get a thousand people to show up for a home game. Les commented that this area is a basketball spirited town just waiting to be unleashed. As it turned out he and two of his successors tapped into that spirit. A spirit which burned with zeal in the hearts of thousands. Some say that spirit is no longer there but I've seen it...it's still there. It can be found on this board and throughout this town. It is like a smoldering ember left over from a great fire. Not anything that is openly impressive in it's present form but if properly utilized it has the power to blaze into life when the conditions are right. Thanks to the efforts of a certain board member one only has to access youtube to see for himself just what is possible here. Two great dynasties are currently represented there. The Mister years as well as the Wadood era. Upon viewing these videos can you have any doubt of the potential at ETSU? And after one concludes the great potential that is lying dormant at ETSU the following truths become self-evident. It requires a spark. That spark is a better conference. A better conference requires football. Football is not the historic disaster that they would have you believe. The opportunity is here just waiting to be unleashed again. What kind of program is it that you seek for ETSU?
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sound and fury..signifying nothing. I don't know when I've read a post that says nothing in so many words.

Lets face it...you want it, not enough other people do, and no one is ponying up enough money or support to make it meaningful. Sorry..but its a pretty tired rant.
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RE: A response to "Time to move on"
Gold,

I have no interest in ending the division football supporters and the people at ETSU. Hate them all you want.

I am just so tired of anything positive the athletes do on the field or court being shot down as well in the good old days we would have.....

That's what I call whining.

You want to be in a better conference - get more supporters with more money and get it done. Other wise you are just whining.

You want football back - get more supporters with more money and get it done. Other wise you are just whining.

I am choosing to move on and say I am going to support the sports I care about watching. Basically just basketball but occasionally tennis and baseball.

I am choosing to cheer when they do well and boo when they do stupid things. But not to boo because we are playing Belmont instead of Appy St.

I am choosing to see things as they are, not as how they once were.

I am also choosing to say if football comes back and they put a decent product on the field I will root for it.

But here is the thing. I have been on this board since football was dropped and nothing has changed. Each year there are less and less people who want to bring football back. The area doesn't care - learn to deal with that or in the end you are just whining like a little kid who doesn't get the toy they want at the store.
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The area does care and that is why they stay home. They are not going to support a low level program that was jammed down their throat. They know what a very good mid level program provides and ETSU is not providing that type of program. Just remember one thing, we are not giving up ( like some people on this board ) our pledge to return ETSU to its rightful place in college sports. Know matter what the ad, president or you quitters say, we will prevail.
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(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  Each year there are less and less people who want to bring football back.

Can you quote a credible source for this statement of fact?
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(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am just so tired of anything positive the athletes do on the field or court being shot down as well in the good old days we would have.....

You sir, are describing a scenario that doesn't exist. All one has to do is take a quick glance through this forum and one will quickly discover that the people here are in full support for this basketball team. I, correctly or incorrectly, consider myself to be one of the more extreme voices on this forum and I can't help but roll my eyes at your remarks. At no point have we ever wished basketball to fail. Quite the contrary, we have passionately supported them not only in the stadiums but also through the written word. In addition to our support for the current players we also keep track and celebrate those former players who are now overseas. How many youtube videos of former players like Dillion Sneed, Erik Thomas, and Timmy Smith have the members here dug up and trumpeted with pride of their overseas play? I would remind you that it was this board who rallied together and did everything in it's power to lift the bucs spirits last season during that downward spiral. These, sir, are not the actions of whiners!

Many members of this board came together and sent in several emails to the Coy family after his tragic and untimely death. ETSU didn't send out mandates demanding this happen and the board members did not seek recognition for doing so. They did it because they care. They did it because they love this basketball team and even though they oppose what has happened to it they are still out there supporting it. You can't manufacture that kind of loyalty and despite the administrations best efforts they can't seem to destroy it either. Because ETSU basketball is bigger than Dave Mullins and Paul Stanton. It's bigger than Lady Mullins who desperately sought to weaken the natural God-given passion that springs forth with righteous fervor when a conference championship is on the line. If it is whining you are concerned about perhaps you would be better served to point your disgust at her.

I have never really responded to anything Buckybuck has ever said because he has yet to say anything of substance. I did, however, feel compelled to respond to your charge of whining. Not so much for the purposes of educating you as to who we are because I fully realize that you are in Mullins pocket and have dedicated yourself to carrying out his will by trying to infiltrate the mindset of this site. Rather, I responded to your claims for those who might not be familiar with our struggle. I want them to know who we are and what we stand for. They should know that our loyalty to this basketball team is unquestionable. They also should know that we view ETSU as a crippled institution that is suffering from a self inflicted wound and we seek to change it. We realize what we are up against. We are not unrealistic. We know full well that for football to return to ETSU it's going to require new leadership. Although we are currently without the power to change the leadership of ETSU we certainly have it within our power to inform as many people as we possibly can as to just who this leadership is and what they have done to this athletic department. And we are going to do it within this site as well as within this town. The genuine whiners are those of you who moan and groan because we just won't stop talking about football. That is who the whiners are. Meanwhile we are focused on ETSU becoming the best it can be.

We also are not the one's who are disingenuous.

(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am also choosing to say if football comes back and they put a decent product on the field I will root for it.

(09-14-2009 08:53 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  being a Kingsport resident who tries to make most of the home basketball games I would not be attending home football games if it were brought back.
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(09-16-2009 06:03 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am just so tired of anything positive the athletes do on the field or court being shot down as well in the good old days we would have.....

You sir, are describing a scenario that doesn't exist. All one has to do is take a quick glance through this forum and one will quickly discover that the people here are in full support for this basketball team. I, correctly or incorrectly, consider myself to be one of the more extreme voices on this forum and I can't help but roll my eyes at your remarks. At no point have we ever wished basketball to fail. Quite the contrary, we have passionately supported them not only in the stadiums but also through the written word. In addition to our support for the current players we also keep track and celebrate those former players who are now overseas. How many youtube videos of former players like Dillion Sneed, Erik Thomas, and Timmy Smith have the members here dug up and trumpeted with pride of their overseas play? I would remind you that it was this board who rallied together and did everything in it's power to lift the bucs spirits last season during that downward spiral. These, sir, are not the actions of whiners!

Many members of this board came together and sent in several emails to the Coy family after his tragic and untimely death. ETSU didn't send out mandates demanding this happen and the board members did not seek recognition for doing so. They did it because they care. They did it because they love this basketball team and even though they oppose what has happened to it they are still out there supporting it. You can't manufacture that kind of loyalty and despite the administrations best efforts they can't seem to destroy it either. Because ETSU basketball is bigger than Dave Mullins and Paul Stanton. It's bigger than Lady Mullins who desperately sought to weaken the natural God-given passion that springs forth with righteous fervor when a conference championship is on the line. If it is whining you are concerned about perhaps you would be better served to point your disgust at her.

I have never really responded to anything Buckybuck has ever said because he has yet to say anything of substance. I did, however, feel compelled to respond to your charge of whining. Not so much for the purposes of educating you as to who we are because I fully realize that you are in Mullins pocket and have dedicated yourself to carrying out his will by trying to infiltrate the mindset of this site. Rather, I responded to your claims for those who might not be familiar with our struggle. I want them to know who we are and what we stand for. They should know that our loyalty to this basketball team is unquestionable. They also should know that we view ETSU as a crippled institution that is suffering from a self inflicted wound and we seek to change it. We realize what we are up against. We are not unrealistic. We know full well that for football to return to ETSU it's going to require new leadership. Although we are currently without the power to change the leadership of ETSU we certainly have it within our power to inform as many people as we possibly can as to just who this leadership is and what they have done to this athletic department. And we are going to do it within this site as well as within this town. The genuine whiners are those of you who moan and groan because we just won't stop talking about football. That is who the whiners are. Meanwhile we are focused on ETSU becoming the best it can be.

We also are not the one's who are disingenuous.

(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am also choosing to say if football comes back and they put a decent product on the field I will root for it.

(09-14-2009 08:53 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  being a Kingsport resident who tries to make most of the home basketball games I would not be attending home football games if it were brought back.

Ditto, double ditto, and triple ditto.
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Seems like most teams are doing just fine thank you. Seems like enrollment is going up. Seems like fundraising is doing fine....not much of a loss.
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From Gold:

We also are not the one's who are disingenuous.

(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am also choosing to say if football comes back and they put a decent product on the field I will root for it.

(09-14-2009 08:53 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  being a Kingsport resident who tries to make most of the home basketball games I would not be attending home football games if it were brought back.

Rooting for it in no way means attending games. I root for Sullivan South High School but I don't attend those games either.
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(09-16-2009 06:03 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am just so tired of anything positive the athletes do on the field or court being shot down as well in the good old days we would have.....

You sir, are describing a scenario that doesn't exist.

You have to be kidding me. Even when we went to the tournament last season people bitched that if we had been in the southern conference we would have been a 13 seed.

When we win the conference regular season championship people on this board say well its nothing to be proud of.

Whining.

WE ARE IN THIS CONFERENCE, DEAL WITH IT, SUPPORT OR DON'T BUT QUIT WHINING.
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(09-16-2009 06:03 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am just so tired of anything positive the athletes do on the field or court being shot down as well in the good old days we would have.....

You sir, are describing a scenario that doesn't exist. All one has to do is take a quick glance through this forum and one will quickly discover that the people here are in full support for this basketball team. I, correctly or incorrectly, consider myself to be one of the more extreme voices on this forum and I can't help but roll my eyes at your remarks. At no point have we ever wished basketball to fail. Quite the contrary, we have passionately supported them not only in the stadiums but also through the written word. In addition to our support for the current players we also keep track and celebrate those former players who are now overseas. How many youtube videos of former players like Dillion Sneed, Erik Thomas, and Timmy Smith have the members here dug up and trumpeted with pride of their overseas play? I would remind you that it was this board who rallied together and did everything in it's power to lift the bucs spirits last season during that downward spiral. These, sir, are not the actions of whiners!

YET THEY ARE NOT ALL OF THE BOARDS ACTIONS


Many members of this board came together and sent in several emails to the Coy family after his tragic and untimely death. ETSU didn't send out mandates demanding this happen and the board members did not seek recognition for doing so. They did it because they care. They did it because they love this basketball team and even though they oppose what has happened to it they are still out there supporting it. You can't manufacture that kind of loyalty and despite the administrations best efforts they can't seem to destroy it either. Because ETSU basketball is bigger than Dave Mullins and Paul Stanton. It's bigger than Lady Mullins who desperately sought to weaken the natural God-given passion that springs forth with righteous fervor when a conference championship is on the line. If it is whining you are concerned about perhaps you would be better served to point your disgust at her.

NEVER SAID THIS WAS A BAD ACTION, I THOUGHT THAT AND THE EFFORT FOR CP WERE GREAT

I have never really responded to anything Buckybuck has ever said because he has yet to say anything of substance. I did, however, feel compelled to respond to your charge of whining. Not so much for the purposes of educating you as to who we are because I fully realize that you are in Mullins pocket and have dedicated yourself to carrying out his will by trying to infiltrate the mindset of this site.

I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT MULLINS, I WAS RIGHT BY PITT COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW HE HANDLED BARTOW'S CONTRACT. FIRE HIM OR KEEP HIM I DON"T CARE


Rather, I responded to your claims for those who might not be familiar with our struggle. I want them to know who we are and what we stand for. They should know that our loyalty to this basketball team is unquestionable. They also should know that we view ETSU as a crippled institution that is suffering from a self inflicted wound and we seek to change it. We realize what we are up against. We are not unrealistic. We know full well that for football to return to ETSU it's going to require new leadership. Although we are currently without the power to change the leadership of ETSU we certainly have it within our power to inform as many people as we possibly can as to just who this leadership is and what they have done to this athletic department. And we are going to do it within this site as well as within this town. The genuine whiners are those of you who moan and groan because we just won't stop talking about football. That is who the whiners are. Meanwhile we are focused on ETSU becoming the best it can be.

IF YOU GOT A BIG ENOUGH GROUP TOGETHER WITH BIG ENOUGH WALLETS IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF STANTON OR MULLINS WERE IN CHARGE YOU COULD BRING FOOTBALL BACK
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i've enjoyed etsu athletics before football and after football, and our sports are considerably better since driooubg football. I'm not against having football, but I'm not hearing or seeing anything that warrants bringing it back, certainly not on this board. I don't see anything but whining and bad mouthing, which doesn't get us anywhere.
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Some items in this argument have to be pointed out. Dr. Stanton has consistently blocked all attempts to raise money for football. People wanted to give money and go out and raise money. He has blocked all attempts. Once again, it would be a different argument if all the formerly 1AA schools in Tennessee had had to drop football for financial considerations and ETSU was the only school tilting at windmills trying to get it back. The situation is quite the opposite. Every other state university in Tennesse on a level with ETSU is playing football at the 1AA level and is having no problem with it and are doing well in other sports. To argue that ETSU is "different" is insulting. ETSU is a state university like all the other TBR schools and the two UT schools. As Congressman Roe said, the only joke to be made about football is that ETSU does not have it. Now that is a joke.
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Here's some points-

31- The point of a board like this is to disagree. Unfortunately the mindset of the area is that they shoot the messenger around here. If we only write on here, like some want (I fear among them our moderator)-

"OH! ISN'T ETSU THE GREATEST? WE'RE SUPERB! LET'S WRITE HOW SUPERB THEY ARE!"

That's what the old Buccaneer Bible was back in 2001 before I got here. And none of you know that website because it was dead because that's all it was.

The only way for ETSU to grow, if that's football, if that's being a basketball power, if that's becoming more of a factor on the local slate, is to demand it publicly. This is a forum to do such, especially since talk radio in this area is very much focused on UT and is afraid to comment critically of ETSU or simply doesn't believe the school is relevant.

If we don't comment, and with a critical slant every now and then, all we will have to look forward to is 10-point losses to Pitt.

This said, the fan base around here is rather easy going and UNcritical. Philadelphia is so tough the Villanova coach used to ride around with a noose in his car, daring his critics to hang him.

Or let me put it this way. What do you remember Neil O'Donnell for? What do you remember Erik Ainge for? Yep, a big pick in a big game.

Who's been villified more?

But here's the thing. Let's look at sports in PA last year. Teams from Pittsburgh won the Stanley Cup and Super Bowl. A team from Philadelphia won the World Series. Pitt was ranked No. 1 in basketball and went to the Sun Bowl in football. Penn State won the NIT and went to the Rose Bowl. Villanova went to the Final Four. If Duquesne had won the A-10 final, all three Division I men's basketball teams from Pittsburgh would have made the NCAAs. And the Pitt WOMEN'S team was nationally ranked!

There's a lesson to be learned here. When fans demand more- they get more.

But when they follow the Tennessee model, when they make excuses for Ainge, or for Fulmer, or for Lane Kiffin's mouth-

OR say that Steve McNair was a great guy when he's murdered by his mistress

OR that "they're both one-bid conferences," OR "nobody cares about football anymore," OR "I'm so sick of the whining," OR "we need to SUPPORT our teams" or some other piece of garbage, then we get not real, tangible results, but excuses and a lack of results.
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(09-16-2009 05:16 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  Each year there are less and less people who want to bring football back.

Can you quote a credible source for this statement of fact?

I guess not.
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I would respond to the latest gibberish but I am not sure that I could answer this one dimensional point of view, in so complete a manner, as Pitt just did for me.
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I believe this perfectly illustrates what the differences are between we who are loyal etsu fans and those who merely pose as fans. The posers seek to weaken our passion and natural fervor to the depths of their own dismal support. They will not succeed.


(09-17-2009 07:56 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  From Gold:

We also are not the one's who are disingenuous.

(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am also choosing to say if football comes back and they put a decent product on the field I will root for it.

(09-14-2009 08:53 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  being a Kingsport resident who tries to make most of the home basketball games I would not be attending home football games if it were brought back.

Rooting for it in no way means attending games. I root for Sullivan South High School but I don't attend those games either.

The argument is over. Your position is right here in black and white....clear for all to see.

Which begs the question, 31. Why are you here?
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(09-17-2009 11:21 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Here's some points-

31- The point of a board like this is to disagree. Unfortunately the mindset of the area is that they shoot the messenger around here. If we only write on here, like some want (I fear among them our moderator)-

"OH! ISN'T ETSU THE GREATEST? WE'RE SUPERB! LET'S WRITE HOW SUPERB THEY ARE!"

That's what the old Buccaneer Bible was back in 2001 before I got here. And none of you know that website because it was dead because that's all it was.

The only way for ETSU to grow, if that's football, if that's being a basketball power, if that's becoming more of a factor on the local slate, is to demand it publicly. This is a forum to do such, especially since talk radio in this area is very much focused on UT and is afraid to comment critically of ETSU or simply doesn't believe the school is relevant.

If we don't comment, and with a critical slant every now and then, all we will have to look forward to is 10-point losses to Pitt.

This said, the fan base around here is rather easy going and UNcritical. Philadelphia is so tough the Villanova coach used to ride around with a noose in his car, daring his critics to hang him.

Or let me put it this way. What do you remember Neil O'Donnell for? What do you remember Erik Ainge for? Yep, a big pick in a big game.

Who's been villified more?

But here's the thing. Let's look at sports in PA last year. Teams from Pittsburgh won the Stanley Cup and Super Bowl. A team from Philadelphia won the World Series. Pitt was ranked No. 1 in basketball and went to the Sun Bowl in football. Penn State won the NIT and went to the Rose Bowl. Villanova went to the Final Four. If Duquesne had won the A-10 final, all three Division I men's basketball teams from Pittsburgh would have made the NCAAs. And the Pitt WOMEN'S team was nationally ranked!

There's a lesson to be learned here. When fans demand more- they get more.

But when they follow the Tennessee model, when they make excuses for Ainge, or for Fulmer, or for Lane Kiffin's mouth-

OR say that Steve McNair was a great guy when he's murdered by his mistress

OR that "they're both one-bid conferences," OR "nobody cares about football anymore," OR "I'm so sick of the whining," OR "we need to SUPPORT our teams" or some other piece of garbage, then we get not real, tangible results, but excuses and a lack of results.

Pitt,

I completely agree that fans can be negative. I don't hesitate to say Bartow sucks as an end of game manager or managing his bench. I think that's very constructive. I completely agree that the school sucks at marketing and would love to see it change.

I love banter about how this game or that game was handled and whether so and so is better than so and so.

What I think isn't constructive and doesn't help anything is whining without action. I think posts when we win or do well that compare us to the Southern conference as useless. I am of the mind set to focus on reality and the reality is we are most likely in the A-Sun for a long time. Football was dropped in 03, we are in 09 and its not looking any more likely now than before of it coming back.

So its not making excuses for the product put out there, its not comparing the product to something that it has no chance in the present of being. Its like you are drinking coke now because you are brought but you used to drink champagne every night. Its not the coke's fault it doesn't taste like champagne. You might drink champagne again one day but no point whining about it now.
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(09-17-2009 07:02 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  I believe this perfectly illustrates what the differences are between we who are loyal etsu fans and those who merely pose as fans. The posers seek to weaken our passion and natural fervor to the depths of their own dismal support. They will not succeed.


(09-17-2009 07:56 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  From Gold:

We also are not the one's who are disingenuous.

(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am also choosing to say if football comes back and they put a decent product on the field I will root for it.

(09-14-2009 08:53 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  being a Kingsport resident who tries to make most of the home basketball games I would not be attending home football games if it were brought back.

Rooting for it in no way means attending games. I root for Sullivan South High School but I don't attend those games either.

The argument is over. Your position is right here in black and white....clear for all to see.

Which begs the question, 31. Why are you here?

Gold I don't know that I could ever follow your logic. You make the equation of TRUE ETSU FAN = FOOTBALL ATTENDEE which is a false argument. I am a fan of ETSU basketball and that's why I am here. I am here to enjoy talking about their success and disappointments.

You are a passionate fan which is great and I am in now way telling you not to be.

I am simply saying it does no one any good to whine and complain about something that isn't right now.

You want to brain storm on bring football back great. You want to say I wish we had football fine.

Buy you want to criticize the current situation for something it has no chance of being and you are being the bad fan.
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(09-17-2009 04:05 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 05:16 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(09-16-2009 11:55 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  Each year there are less and less people who want to bring football back.

Can you quote a credible source for this statement of fact?

I guess not.

I am working on finding the numbers but you want the biggest fact.

It's not back and is no closer to coming back. If support was increasing you would have at least moved the bar forward.
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